Does Founding Titan have the ability to control past itans? the nature of founder's power

Can they control past titans by using the abilities of the Founding Titan?

The answer is simplly there is no such ability. Because it is not stated anywhere, and furthermore, even if there were no such ability, the story would still work. There is no need for readers to create an unnecessary and useless plot on our own.

So, why does the story work even though there is no ability to control past titans at will?

To think about it, we must consider the nature of the founder’s power.

Some might argue that the Founding Titans have special and overwhelming abilities. To those people, I urge you to continue reading below.

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Simple thought experiment.

If Karl Fritz used the Founding Titan ability to manipulated Past Titan, can Eren, about 100 years later, manipulate it to override the actions of that same Past Titan A?

Either way, whether the answer is possible or impossible, it would be a contradiction in terms of the definition of the Founding Titan’s ability.

It is nonsense to try to analyse the story with such a contradictory ability in mind.

While many may try to amend their thinking with this, some may argue that Eren is a rarity and made it possible.

Titan is not God. There is no God.

  1. Rod worshipped the founding titan as God, but this was only wishful thinking for his own convenience and was dismissed as an illusion by Kenny and Historia. (ch.65, 66)
  2. The contents of the flashbacks in Grisha’s note show that God and the Devil were fabricated entities to spread propaganda. Krueger said: “There is no truth in this world. That is a fact. Anyone can be the Devil or God”. (ch86-89)
  3. Flock is on Eren’s side, but calls Eren a demon. (ch102) No one, not even the Yeagerists, called Eren God, and there is no indication that he was treated as such.
  4. Onyankopon said that it was God who gave Yumir the Founder’s power. (ch106)
  5. Eren told founder Yumir: “You’re no slave. You’re no God. You’re just a person.” (ch122) Ymir is no God. And no one’s power can exceed hers.

There is no God. How can Eren be able to run that universe as he wants, like God, when he rules over something that is not God? If it is a god as a metaphor, then it further contributes to the impossibility of Eren’s overwhelming domination. In the first place, it is not at all clear what it means to have ‘complete control over the founders’ and what this would allow Eren to do.

Founder’s power is a curse

Manipulating titans, or other skills has never been shown that this is specifically what the Founding Titan’s abilities are. Only the results that have occurred are described in a fragmented and vague manner.

What can be inferred from the results is that the heirs of the Founding Titans are not free to use their powers as they wish. They do not have convenient superpowers at their disposal. they are under a curse.

It may seem as if Eren manipulated past titans, but that is only the result of what happened. he is not intentionally manipulating them.

Where is the evidence of Founding Titan’s abilities?

Many readers who think Founding Titan is super take Reiner’s and Armin’s statements as evidence.

  • Reiner: “The founding titan is able to control all titans and subjects of ymir as it sees fit.” ch.124
  • Armin: “Eren is able to affect the actions of every titan and eldian.” ch.133

There is no doubt that they did say that. But how reliable is this really?

They saw with their own eyes at ch.122, when the hardening of the walls was lifted and the large number of titans inside began to move. And in ch.50, after Eren shouted, the Pure Titans moved in Eren’s favor. The rest is just hearsay and self-serving speculation.

They are not the heirs of the Founding Titans, yet what can they know from this alone?

Zeke’s statement, “If the Attack Titan truly does have the power to transcend time,” is another example. All we know from this episode is that Grisha saw Eren’s memories, but that does not guarantee that Eren can do it.

What did the successive founders’ heirs do?

Manipulating titans, tampering with memories, changing constitutions, etc., are all mentioned as events that have happened in the past, but few scenes depict the moment when the heirs of the founding titans actually do it.

Karl Fritz’s story of building three walls was just Rod Reiss’s verbalization, and Ksaver’s story of the ancient king of Erdia changing the constitution of his people was just Ksaver’s verbalization. In other words, it is only folklore and legend.

Why is only the result described in words and not the moment?

“The moment” is depicted in only a very few scenes. Frieda erases Historia’s memory, Eren screams and rumbles, Uri tries to manipulate Kenny but fails.

Most notably, Eren in ch51, after activating the Founder’s power, did not understand what was going on and was not aware that he had manipulated a giant.

If Eren took complete control of Founder, things would be different, wouldn’t they?

Armin said, “Eren has command of the founder!” which he only assumes must be so because Rumbling started. This should not be interpreted as if Eren has taken complete control of the Founder.

Eren is indeed the heir to the Founding Titan, but in reality he is only being helped by Yumir the Founder in chapter 122, Eren is leaving the decision to Yumir the Founder, not ordering him to Rumbling.

In support of this, Eren after Rumbling looks like a puppet, and the Eren inside is meditating all the time.

Why is the one who is supposed to be in complete control and manipulation of everything made to look like a puppet? Why is the one who is supposed to see everything meditating?

In sum, the above means that the heirs of the Founding Titans may not always be able to use their power as they see fit.

Distorted results of extreme desires

Karl Fritz radically sought peace. Eren radically sought freedom. What would have happened to each of them as a result?

Karl retreated inside the walls and built a brief, distorted paradise. Eren became a genocidal monster.

Do you think this is the ideal ending they envisioned? I very much doubt that.

Eren would not have been happy about it. it is clear from the way he is talking to Armin. The boy Eren in ch131 is only emphasizing one aspect.

The same goes for Ymir. She suffered for 2,000 years for a distorted love.

It’s a phenomenon, not a subject using power

The invocation of founder’s power is a phenomenon, not something that is intentionally made to happen so that the heirs can use their abilities to make it happen. It is just a phenomenon.

That is why their wishes are not realized in the expected form.

On the other hand, what happens when the founder’s power is activated depends on the nature of the heirs themselves. There may be things that Eren can do that Karl cannot. There may be things that Eren can do that Karl cannot, and vice versa.

It is not as if the Founding Titan’s abilities are listed on a menu and can be used at will by the best heirs. This is not the way it was originally designed.

Given the above, you can see why the idea that Eren could travel back in time and manipulate the Titans at will is absurd. It doesn’t fit with the story that has been told over 139 episodes.

Then, how can we explain the phenomenon of Dina Titan’s ignoring Bertolt?

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